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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2007, 07:17:40 PM »
Well since i juist got here i dont have a 401k and all the other stuff.

However there are Roth IRA's, Tax Free bonds, Simple IRA's, all kinds of things. And one thing you will need to plan for is college for your kids.  ::)

And Mutual Funds are there for anyone.

College has a special way of eating away at money. :o

You do have some special insight that most of us do not have without us doing research. I think we talked about this before.

Aren't the interest rates higher in Scotland / England than the US for savings accounts? Might be wise to leave some money over there.

Buying a house for rental value is also good, you get the value of owning the property along with income from the rent. But again it's a lot about location and taxes.

The same rule of thumb applies........low down, highest comfortable payment and invest the rest of your money.

Also keep in mind, and someone pls. check my math, using 8%, which I feel is a very conservative number in market type investments, that $200,000.00 earning 8% in 5 yrs becomes almost $294,000.00.

A $94,000.00 increase of real money on a initial investment in 5 yrs.

And in about 9 yrs at 8% you will have almost doubled your money.

Just food for thought, and as in this entire thread, the bottom line is to have some kind of savings plan.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2007, 07:40:30 PM »
FYI, in case anyone might be curious as to where I have invested I own the following funds along with their historical percentages:

Cohen & Steers  CSRSX - YTD 11.54 3 yr. 32.29 5 yr 27.68


ING Russia A  LETRX - YTD 1.10 3yr. 38.75 5yr. 43.17


Midas  MIDSX -  YTD 5.83 3yr. 30.09 5yr. 32.64


SSgA Emerging Market  SSEMX - YTD 3.24 3yr. 30.04 5yr. 27.16


Vanguard Capital Opp  VHCOX - YTD 3.19 3yr. 13.50 5yr. 12.77


Vanguard Energy  VGENX - YTD -1.89 3yr. 30.75 5yr. 25.75


Vanguard Global Equi  VHGEX - YTD 5.06 3yr. 18.43 5yr. 18.85


Vanguard PRIMECAP Co  VPCCX - YTD 4.52 (New Vanguard Fund)

 

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2007, 07:55:51 PM »

Also keep in mind, and someone pls. check my math, using 8%, which I feel is a very conservative number in market type investments, that $200,000.00 earning 8% in 5 yrs becomes almost $294,000.00.

A $94,000.00 increase of real money on a initial investment in 5 yrs.

Math checks out ...............now, to get the 200,000......and leave it alone for any length of time. :-\

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2007, 08:41:23 PM »

Also keep in mind, and someone pls. check my math, using 8%, which I feel is a very conservative number in market type investments, that $200,000.00 earning 8% in 5 yrs becomes almost $294,000.00.

A $94,000.00 increase of real money on a initial investment in 5 yrs.

Math checks out ...............now, to get the 200,000......and leave it alone for any length of time. :-\

Just done to as an example to Dog's comment about the value of a house doubling in value and showing how savings also grow.

An investment, even just by ratio, can do the same in a few years without any related costs such as maintenance or interest payments.

All in the interest of continuing financial discussion and education :)

Something to many of us ignore. :(

Trust me, I wish I had got smart earlier. I'd be much better off than I am now.

I feel I can safely say that anyone who starts saving modestly at ages 18 - 21 should easily be a millionaire by 50 - 55.

Where the hell is OM, he knows about this crap.

Same with Irish Invasion.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2007, 02:06:20 PM »
I agree with you Shamu. When I look back, I could have been one by now by riding the right wave of stocks like Google, Aol, Wlt, Yahoo and more.... But did miss it. Now focus on new stocks and funds but for now I have mainly investments in Real Estate. Judging by increase in tax value, I so far have done the right thing.

Going back to do some trading when time allows though. I'm studing trend trading as for most before I was day trading ...... Day trading is for sure not for every one. Do not beleive what they say as this is easy ... No it's not and you need some good nerves and a discipline made of steel.

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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2007, 06:10:34 PM »
Going back to do some trading when time allows though. I'm studing trend trading as for most before I was day trading ...... Day trading is for sure not for every one. Do not beleive what they say as this is easy ... No it's not and you need some good nerves and a discipline made of steel.

At one time I traded stocks but it was not a good experience, or maybe it was good experience.....it showed me I did not know what I was doing.

So now I stick to mutual funds. If you look at my list you will see some are very aggressive and high risk. But with Mutual Funds past performance data is much easier to gather.

I know a fellow who has an unusual philosophy. He does research a stock befoire buying but he has strict buy and sell rules of his own choosing once he has selected a stock. If it drops 10% he sells, if it goes up 15% he sells. He has these sell orders in place as soon as he buys a stock.

If judging his lifestyle can be used as a gauge for success I assure you he has done very well. And what he does alludes Legres's comment about "discipline", he has guidelines in place and does not let emotion rule his decisions.

If you do your homework and learn stock investing it can be very rewarding, in my case I did not do my homework and paid a price.

Mutual Fund investing, and is the prime investmet tool for IRA's and 401's, is much less risky and much easier to research for the average person.

But again, method of choosing is up to you. Just be sure to get some educated plan in place..............early!
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 08:58:43 PM »
:o :o :o :o :o

The market is taking a hit today  :'(

And it is one of the things you need to accept  ;D

Dollar cost averaging helps  :)

We shall survive  :laugh:

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2007, 10:09:16 PM »
Well, at least not a panic.....a small recovery today.

Other than one stock my investments are funds......should see how things went by 6:00 PM or so.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2007, 04:21:13 AM »
Fed had good news today over the economy. Things are strong and people are spending. They even think that the housing market should stabilize by mid of this year. So no reason to panic yet. I wish we had more profit taking to make it more stable in the futur.

Today's move could be due by short or put covering; just people looking and standing back to see ....

On thing you should know, it's good to own a big company like GE that pays Dividends ....

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2007, 09:30:12 AM »
A relativrly nice recovery, no where near what I lost on paper yesterday and not as nice as I would have hoped. But at least a rebound of some sort.

I am staying with what I have, it's diverified enough betrween oversea and domestic that it should weather the storm. I'm still up for the year.

We do have alot of one bank stock, pays consistently good dividends, but hardly moves on the market. Over the years it has been good with splits and things but were probably have too much in this vehicle.

Time to sell might be hard to find a buyer, however the bank will often buy back itself to use the shares for retirement plans.

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2007, 01:57:32 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2007, 01:15:45 PM »
Awesome thread Shamu. I really need help in this arena and wish I had started earlier. Im 39 now and need to get myself into some sort of investment plan for sure. I have been thinking about it alot and am ready to gather as much info and help on this as possible. Where to start?

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2007, 12:31:59 PM »
I can use Vanguard as one example:

https://flagship.vanguard.com/VGApp/hnw/HomepageOverview

These sites can be informative reading.

If you select "Research Funds and Stocks" you can get addtional info:

https://flagship.vanguard.com/VGApp/hnw/HomepageOverview

Such as how Vanguard funds have done over the years, below is the option "Select Fund List by Name"

https://flagship.vanguard.com/VGApp/hnw/FundsByName

Keep in mind if someone says the are in Vanguard, or in Fidelity there is much more to it than that. Vanguard and Fidelity are just two large fund companies with many funds that afford you many different types of choices within their company.

Another good thing is to take a quick look at the Business section of a good paper. Look at Mutual Funds, you will see many Funds Companies and under each a list of the types of names on the funds they manage.

Some things to read / learn about are Load and No Load Funds, some have minimal investment amounts, some have penalties if not held for a specific time, some have varying maintenance fees. (Vanguard is generally low.)

Anyway, take some time for reading and learning, it's really not too hard if you stick to Mutual Funds.

Stocks are another matter requiring more expertise which I admittedly do not have.

BTW - Edited for crappy typos
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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2007, 02:34:03 PM »
I will do just that and thanx for linx.  ;)

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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2007, 03:26:40 PM »
Okay LeGres, what say you?

I think the drop is over, at least I sure hope it is. I am now in very red numbers for the year.

Here's hoping the "correction" is over :popc:

I am in need of recovery.