Topic: FS??

[PoolMan]

What are Habs?

[|BUG| Shamu]

What are Habs?

Maybe something like the Haves and the Have not's only in French

[MsCB]

What are Habs?

If I remember correctly, Habs is short for the French word habitants, which were the people who lived along the St. Lawrence Seaway.  The Montreal Canadiens fans shortened it to Habs and nicknamed their team.

Or something similar to that....lol.

[[FS] Hardcase]

I thought it was short for someone who had a bad habit in thinking they could play hockey

GO WILD!!!!!!

FS Harriedcase

[|BUG| Shamu]

Okay, here I go riding the FS horse again.

It appears FS is upset and has alleged we have Recruited from FS, apparently alleging that we have done something improper.

If the person making the allegations wishes to contact me for further dialogue, whoever it is, I am sure they know how to contact me. My money says I can make one guess and be right.

I can't post in FS because they have banned me and don't want to bother circumventing the ban. Tried once with a phony e-mail and that does not work. Not gonna waste a good one on them So I use this vehicle for my post, I know a few FS stop by out of curiosity.

And guess what, they can't Delete or Lock it

First I never, and no one I know, have gone to their game servers or forums and recruited. That is something most respectable groups do not do and we have abided by that existing guideline.

Put simply so FS can understand, we have not recruited in your Forums or in your Gameservers.

If that had been done their complaint would have some validity. However it is not the case so I consider their complaint simple whining and little else.

We did send out E-mails to many Ex-FS, Retired FS and Ex FS Regulars.

If FS members visited our game site or Server I often told them thay would be welcome members. Doing so on our site and our server is IMHO, fair play. If FS members PM'd me that is personal dialogue and not disrespectful of another Clan if I tell them they would be welcome here.

If continuing dialogue continued as a result of appropriate and respectful contact with current FS members I also see nothing wrong.

The only understanding I have and respect is that you do not go into another groups game server and forums and try to recruit using those vehicles.

We have not violated that traditional guideline.

Forgive me, please, for repeating myself above, it is needed so that those from FS who read this post understand. Anyway, Woundy will tell you I tend to repeat myself often.

I am comfortable making this statement and have no doubt any current Buggar will say that we acted in any improper way.

People left FS because of various disatisfactions with the leadership group. Now apparently some FS want to hide their incompetance and find someone else to blame for their ineptitude.

IMHO, they may still have the name but we have the heart.

Oddly enough I hope both the Buggars and FS have learned from the mistakes made at FS, it can only benefit both communities.

[MADDOG]

The problem with some of the "leadreship" in Fs is that they tend to go and start stuff and get others to clean up the dirty work.

For the Buggars recruiting from the FS website, W/E.

People are starting too realize what is going on there and are leaving because of it.

Absolutley no respect for members and former members.  Yeah they will say look what they were saying and so on but the fact is the current FS leadreship and one or 2 moderators took it open themselves to use the "power" they have and start deleteing and locking threads at their will if they thought it upon themselves if it wasnt right.  What ever happened to discussion?

And to boot a Council member opens a thread then a moderator locks it again   Talk about overruling.  But then again if your in that certain group you can do anything you want.

Enough ranting about those people.

Can you imaging what is being said in the private forums of FS right now?


|Bug| MADDOG

[|BUG| Shamu]

Can you imaging what is being said in the private forums of FS right now?


|Bug| MADDOG

My guess is not much.

Two reasons, basically only Slick and Woundy remain of those who are upset about the FS process and truly know the history.

Second, even in private Deleting and Locking took place .... probably no different now.

I even suspect that the leadership may be quite pleased with themselves. They have themselves in a position of absolute power.

Most of those who knew of, understood and suffered from the abuse have moved on to BH; http://www.bhfraggers.clanservers.com/, SC; http://www.southerncomfortclan.com/ or Buggars.

If any FS reading this stuff does not believe what's said here they can ask many other ex-FS at those sites.

Oh, and take notice FS, we do not mind even listing their Web Sites here.

Most of what's left of FS simply have no real idea of the issues unless they take time to speak or communicate with some of us who left. Which, by the way, I am always willing to do.

Any issue Council puts to vote now will most likely pass in their favor. Even life term issues if they ever come to vote. In a way they wielded their power to eliminate the opposition, admirable I suppose depending on the side of the fence your are.

With FS I think the leadership is representative of being on the East Side of the long ago, and now torn down, Berlin Wall. But in FS the wall remains.

[|BUG| Shamu]

And to boot a Council member opens a thread then a moderator locks it again   Talk about overruling.  But then again if your in that certain group you can do anything you want.|Bug| MADDOG

Dog, I would like to have seen your reaction if that had been done to you when you were on Council

Were done to me, preferably, that person would no longer be a moderator, at the least I would have requested a warning be issued to the Moderator so it would not happen again. Which, btw, was not the case here because it was done more than once by the same person to the same Council member..

Shame of it is that the Council member who was being treated this way, HC, was the one trying to bring about a peaceful resolution.

Note: That is not to say I agree with HC's opinions, he knows what I mean and if he reads this I am sure understands.

[Beckett]

Just reading all this just amazes me. I knew there was problems years back with the FS but never once thought it would self distruct themselves.. And your right Shamu, im sure there are a few that are happy with the direction the FS has taken. If a member wasnt happy at the FS, i find it very nice for the |bugs| to promote a friendly enviroment for players to come and have fun with some old friends. Thats not recruiting, thats just being considerate of others. Some things all clans could learn from.
Beckett

[MADDOG]

Dog, I would like to have seen your reaction if that had been done to you when you were on Council

We no this wouldnt of happened.  Or if it did I sure and hell hope they would of told me why before doing it and had a damn good reason too.  I see that non of that happened, she took it upon herself to do, even said it in the thread.

HC was trying his best but even as a Council member certain "frienships" overrule Council.

They have what they consider a pefect clan now.  Because they have all the "power".

The Council will only change when certain people leave.  And when they leave "friendships" will take their places.

Oh well all the power to them , get it?


|Bug| MADDOG

[-=SC=- ArChAnGeL]

Shamu and MADDOG, we all know this is par for the course... Whats sad about this is that they have not learned their lessons.. I love the fact that they reopened recruitment and basically started letting ANY and EVERYONE in..  I can honestly say that only ONE of their latest [FS]additions and current [fs] would have made it past our old recruitment team.. However, when you bleed out 40 or so members, its not real hard to get a majority vote.. Especially since, the [FS] roster is down to 47 members from what WAS around 100... Of that 47, only 20 MAX are somewhat active..SO would not be real hard to get those QUORUMS council members love to have...

[FS], since I know some of you are reading this... These are my suggestions to you... Lift the bans of Shamu from the forums and the Server bans of my fellow -=SC=- members, Shadowfax, OpFlash, Seriously, AND Fluffy Bunny Feet.. Then I would like the [FS] Council to use its fancy forum title and post a public apology for the atrocities it has committed against former members and a couple current members alike.. I would like for this posted in what used to be deemed FREE SPEECH..But we all KNOW it has become the LOCKED THREADS SPEECH or the DELETE THE TRUTH FORUM... Anyhoo, after that I would like to see the [FS] extend an olive branch to the buggars and SC... THen maybe, just maybe we will call a truce and end this war of words... I only speak for myself, but I think a few others would agree, this would demonstrate to people like me that the [FS] actually has SOME backbone and SOME class...

[|BUG| Seven]

They have what they consider a pefect clan now.  Because they have all the "power".

Perfect clan? then why they are annoyed about us and all the members we are getting?
Perfect I don't think so, my feeling its that it hurts  ppl choose us instead of them. Which is stupid  cause they didn't do ANYTHING to keep these ppl with them in the first place.
Hello FS? it's not our fault ppl prefer us than stay with you.
Someone DOESNT leave a place he enjoys, that says something, think about it.

I don't see it as a war of worlds or anything Irish, Personaly I think we should move forward and forget about them.
Yes the bitterness of destroying a clan like the FS stays however I am not sure we could anything about it. The bonds between the BH, the SC and the Bugs are strong and we will try and keep them like that. And this shows something, right? 

Seven

[|BUG| Trauma]

I agree with alot that has been said. Seven is exactly right. Done is done and its time to move on. I fear the destruction is not over and will only continue. I myself plan to distance myself as far from it as possible. This is why I cut ties with the FS completely and wish to have fun with those that have also distanced themselves by moving on to the aformentioned groups. Further more I would like to see this thread take a posative turn back in its original direction as this is leading down a path which will only nurture more bickering and bring harshnes to what I feel is a peacefull environment created for those that have moved on and would like to simply shoot each other in the face.
 
                                            Trauma

[|BUG| Medic]

Move on??? Oh.... that would mean I harbour sad feelings about having left in the first place.... How could one be sad about leaving a place that caused so much hate and discontent? Yes, I too had time invested in an idea along with a bunch of friends (who most have all followed suit and are now back together  ). Time spent/lessons learned.

And so what if their upset about us recruiting from whereever they deem as sacred and hallowed ground in any way they seem fit to describe it.... Who's going to do anything about it? The server/clan police going to write us up? Fine us? Take away our weekend fun? It's noise... put your headphones on, turn your game volume up... shoot your friends and ENJOY IT!! And all the while IGNORE WHERE THE WHINING IS COMING FROM!!

  it'll only bother you about their complaints if YOU let it.

[|BUG| Shamu]

\Further more I would like to see this thread take a posative turn back in its original direction as this is leading down a path which will only nurture more bickering and bring harshnes to what I feel is a peacefull environment created for those that have moved on and would like to simply shoot each other in the face.
 
                                            Trauma

Hot damn, a former Rcon Rambo turning Pacifist  

Actualy true congrats, your position is probably the appropriate one and most professional to take, but I have to admit I still have some venting in me.

First, unfortunately you missed out on some of the abuse that reigned down on the members after you left. Actually consider yourself lucky.

It's kind of nice to have a forum where point and / or counterpoint can be made without censorship.

Second, what initiated my most recent rant was that apparently someone has accused us of recruiting from FS, I was asked if I ever recruited any FS.

This was I believe a new and recent accusations. Since I was questioned on how I had acted I chose to include my explanations in Public Forum. If anyone can say I am lying they can say it here.

My reply was that I had stayed in contact with a few FS over time but never recruited in their forums or games. The only improper FPS method of recruiting is to go into another groups game site or Froums and recruit, I have not an would not do that. It's basic common courtesy generally expected within the gaming community.

PM's, E-mails IMHO are viable and respectful vehicles for communication. Even these did not start with any form of recruitment.

Just ask Hardcase, I have told him I thought he would be welcome at the Buggars. Also understand that HC and I have been on opposing sides of the fence many, many times. However I also ascknowledge he is a good person.

Telling someone in Private communication that they would be welcome here is simply an honest statement.

I can also say, from my end, no communication was initiated for the purpose of recruiting. If they were told they would be welcome here it was a result of dialogue initiated for other reasons and simply became something mentioned as we swapped PM's.

I suspect a couple Ex-FS and current FS can verify what I have just said.

So blame FS and their false and misleading allegations for the resurrection of the topic from my end.