Topic: GAZA

[Woundwort]

That little cartoon sums up Muslim tactics around the world and is the exact reason children die.  They kill their own kids Seven, that is a fact.  In Somalia they used women and children as human shields from the US soldiers.

They actually would make women and children walk as a human wall down a street and the armed "fighters" would follow knowing that U.S. soldiers would not fire on civilians.

Feel sorry for them as much as you want, they brought it on themselves.  And they deserve to die.

[|BUG| Seven]

I am sorry Woundy, but we are humans.
And even if in wars we are supposed to try and keep our humanity.
Don't you enjoy your human rights in  USA?
Don't you claim your right to live and prosper?
Wouldn't you go and help an innocent who is a victim of brutality?
Would you kill an innocent bystander while trying to defend yourself from a criminal? Would the US judicial system find you innocent for an action like this?

We should help the ones that cannot help themselves.
There are NOT people who have a lesser right in living.
The same goes for the innocent victims of Hamas and Israel.
However I am stronger against Israel cause Hamas supposed to be a terrorist blind organization and Israel a civilized country supposed to follow the national laws and respects human rights.

In the following posts you will see how Israel thinks of human rights.
And if this doesnt appeal to your humanitarian side try to think about it cynical: This kind of behaviour creates more Islamists. Killing women, children and innocent civilians without any discrimination is like butter in the bread of Terrorism Recruiters.

So even if you dont value Palestinians' lives, think that the Gaza's  blind violence will lead to more violence. And since USA is Israel's biggest supporter you should think twice before you spit those cruel words in your post.
Cause you might receive as nation the same respect in human rights you showed: none.

[|BUG| Seven]

This is how Israel is respecting the humans rights of innocent.
Apparently for Israelis all Palestinians have no more value than a dead roach. And all this come  from people that felt in their skin a holocaust. 


The International Committee of the Red Cross said Thursday it had discovered “shocking” scenes — including small children next to their mothers’ corpses — when its representatives gained access for the first time to parts of Gaza battered by Israeli shelling. It accused Israel of failing to meet obligations to care for the wounded in areas of combat.

The statement quoted Pierre Wettach, an International Red Cross representative for Israel and the Palestinian areas, as calling the incident “shocking.”

“The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded,” he was quoted as saying.

The statement said the international Red Cross “believes that in this instance the Israeli military failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded. It considers the delay in allowing rescue services access unacceptable.”

Full article can be found here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/middleeast/09redcross.html?_r=2&ref=world

How many of the 700000 palestinian children after living in absolute terror will grow up to become suicide bombers?
Hamas has found new blood for its army for many years.

They are not only criminals...they are also IDIOTS.

S.

[|BUG| Desert Eagle]

I am with Israel on this one.  In fact I would go one step further and absorb Gaza into Israel.  I know the horors of war first hand.  There is no right side when one is fighting for what they believe in.

As long as mankind is on this planet there will be horrible things done to mankind to include war.

If my neighbor decides to rocket my house, I am going to blow his up.

[Woundwort]

Do you think Hamas helped this kid Seven?


Probably not, but at least they are helping this one....


I hope Israel kills them all.

[Woundwort]

Also, when you shoot rockets at an enemy from residential housing you can sure bet some kids will die.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=755_1231350617

Again, that earlier cartoon explains it all.  Hamas is killing their own children and you want diplomacy.  Plz.

[|BUG| Cobra_9]

Just a couple thoughts I have regarding these posts......

So it took until 1947 for Israel to become a country?..... I mean, surely these people didn't just fall from the sky one day and decide they need to take someones land for their own. I seem to remember something about Egypt (and someone named Pharaoh) starting this one. It's only right they get back a place to live and call their own. Where does Palestine fit in?... Give them the land they had at the time Israel had its own land to live in. And if that means Israel should give up some it doesn't rightfully own...so be it.

As a super power you have dived deep in shit countless times and screwed up many countries in the proccess.

And in return these countries get rebuilt for the better. I mean the countries that have warred on us. Starting with England, we fought against them to gain our own country.....now England is our closest Allie. We fought Germany and Japan and then helped them to rebuild for the better.

They actually would make women and children walk as a human wall down a street and the armed "fighters" would follow knowing that U.S. soldiers would not fire on civilians.

How about the cowards who dress like women then attack innocent people. Or hide their military using hospitals as shields? If this is how they "think" then too bad for the innocents in their country for what is coming their way. They are just plain asking for it and don't get any sympathy from me on this one.

[|BUG| Shamu]

And on behalf of the US I think we should get some recognition for doing a hell of a lot more good than we have done bad. We not perfect but on this earth we are the closest thing to perfect.

Just where would many of these countries have been without our foreign aid in general and aid in restructuring after the wars? So many of these countries whine and complain but continue to put their hand out for money and material goods for free.

In addition if we are so bad how come so many want to come to the US and so few want to leave?

We are a young country, very young. We have a very diverse citizenship base with people have come from all parts of the world. We have had our Civil War, we have had our protests and riots but they are few and far between.

Pretty amazing when youn consider the US is a land of immigrants who have come together from all parts of the globe and can live in relative harmony.

It's like we are one big pot of stew, all sorts of things thrown into the recipe but in the end turns out mighty damn good.

Seven, I think you have an underlying dislike of the US that leads to a biased opinion. Perhaps it goes back to the Greek regime the US once supported in Greece.

I do not think you are truly objective in the formation of your opinions by looking at facts alone. Take emotion out of it, forget the kids, forget the dead civilians.

Look at who started the action, Hamas started it with it's rockets and breaking the truce, Israel retaliated. That's all there is to it.

The casualities are an unfortunate cost of war, started by Hamas.

[Woundwort]

Here they are shooting a rocket launcher out of a schoolyard.  Yea, it's Israel's fault.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dbe_1231584531

[|BUG| Shamu]

I suppose I should be a little more clear and honest here instead of posting as a rant with more complaints than options.

1. The main issue behind my opinion on the current situation is that Hamas broke the truce by repeatedly firing indiscriminate rockets at the Israeli's.

2. Because of that the retaliatory strikes by Israel are justified.

3. The loss of civilian life, especially children is regretable and deserves compassion but is a regretable reality of war

4. I see little alternative for Israel, they have to attack Hamas where they live and fight, this results in civilian casualties.

5. I am not happy the US is in the position of having to support Israel, it is a result of Allied UN action stealing Arab land in order to provide the Jewish people a country of their own after their persecution during WW II.

6. However, Israel is now an ally, like it or not we are stuck with supporting them, the past will not be undone.

7. Considering the current politcal climate the Middle East Israel has become essential to our interests in the region. Both politically and strategically.

8. Pacifists or Liberals tend to have much more compassion than I with regard to collateral damage from war without regard to the realities or causes of the war. It's position based on emotion/sentimentality and not reality or fact.

9. I accept collateral damage, while unfortunate, as a cost of war.

10. If someone hits me more than once they should expect to be hit back without limitation on the damage I could cause versus the damage they inflicted.

Forget the rants, the finger pointing and the PR photos used to sway public opinion, offer an opinion to end hostilities.

The only one I see for the current conflict is to restore the truce that was in place before Hamas rocketed Israel multiple times. The truce was working until Hamas broke it.

If Hamas would stop firing rockets and terrorizing Israel then perhaps constructive dialogue could begin again.

In further support of Israel it should also be noted that Israel was even forcibly evicting it's own people from contested lands:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4157998.stm

I do not like having to support Israel but it is what it is, the current situation does not allow change that would be in our best interests of the U.S.

And, YES, I mean OUR best interests. All my opinions will reflect what I feel is in the best interests of the United States.

The Bush Bashers should be very happy, the one thing he thought he had done right, the Middle East Peace Agreement, has now gone to hell along with everything else

 

[Woundwort]

Jewish restraint.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=560_1231793744

Yea, the Jews love killing civilians.

[|BUG| Shamu]

Hamas can not do that with it's rockets.

Correction, Hamas would not do that with it's rockets.

They do not care about Israeli civilians.

Or their own.

https://www.israelsoldiers.org/make_donation.php

 

[|BUG| Shamu]

http://dynamicarmament.com/games.asp

[Woundwort]

Can we make this woman President?

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak


Hot damn she brings up some good points.  What has any Muslim ever done for this world besides terror?  Nothing, thats what.

[|BUG| Shamu]

Well said.

And while it is in a foreign language she seems to present herself as exceptionally articulate.